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Sean Kearon says:
February 2, 2011Ah, some soothing oil on stormy waters perhaps?!!!
mgroves says:
February 2, 2011Less than $35?
Bil Simser says:
February 2, 2011Oh sweet zombie jesus, make this happen.
Richard says:
February 2, 2011Even if it’s more than $35. I’d rather pay JetBrains $70 for a Reflector replacement than hand over any money to DeadGate for another piece of ransomware!
Horacio Nuñez says:
February 2, 2011And then… the code inspection 😉
Brad says:
February 2, 2011yes please. Rolled in as part of R# vNext?
Petar says:
February 2, 2011+1000 – Please!
Grant Palin says:
February 3, 2011You got lucky with the news out of Red-Gate today? Looks like very opportune timing! Look forward to seeing more on this.
David Hanson says:
February 3, 2011Put those redgate guys in there self dug hole. Would love to see this in resharper. Great news!
El Bruno says:
February 3, 2011+1 for this 😀
Kyralessa says:
February 3, 2011Please make it available even to those of us who don’t use Resharper. I don’t care for Resharper, but I’ll happily pay you money for a tool similar to Reflector rather than pay it to Red Gate, who don’t keep their word.
Alexander DiMauro says:
February 3, 2011[Staring speechless at the screen with mouth gaping open and drool dripping out]
Daniel Abramov says:
February 3, 2011I’m paying for this if it helps kill the Red Gate.
Sorry for being this passionate.
NeatStuff says:
February 3, 2011Neat stuff, looking forward to see a .NET Reflector product from JetBrains.
Flo says:
February 3, 2011Nice!
Adam says:
February 3, 2011Exciting!
Red-gate will never get another penny from me and I will never recommend them again.
A sleazy company which deserve all the bad fortune that can come their way after the stunt they just pulled.
Michael says:
February 3, 2011I guess this would mean something to me if I was a .NET coder. Can anyone explain the significance?
Ian Ringrose says:
February 3, 2011As I understand it most of the .net CLR source code is now provided by Microsoft, I hope the variable names etc. are better then what a un-compiler can produce. So why not use the provided source code for CLR types.
I still want a un-compiler to cope with 3rd party controls that don’t ship with source code as standard.
Steve says:
February 3, 2011+1 for screwing RedGate. I’d rather have that functionality integrated into Resharper anyway, so long as it doesn’t cause additional bloat (which it invariably will)
Justin Angel says:
February 4, 2011I would like to reiterate Bill Simser’s call for “sweet raptor-zombie jesus, please make this happen.”
gjbdebug says:
February 4, 2011I’ve licensed JetBrains’ products (primarily dotTrace), have always been impressed, and would gladly pay a reasonable fee for a Reflector replacement just to spite Red-Gate and what one poster appropriately referred to as “ransomware”.
My favorite rationale for Red-Gate’s decision is “it’s too expensive for us to maintain”. Then don’t maintain it ya dumbasses! Either open source it or, better yet, don’t “improve it” every six months for cryin’ out loud! The thing is solid enough without any new “features”. Man, you can get away with one decent part-time coder and one decent part-time tester rather than pissing off the entire .NET community (at least those who count and would thus be familiar with reflection, the value/occasional necessity of disassembly, etc.).
pete w says:
February 4, 2011Wow there is some serious venom towards redgate.
How much do some of you bill per hour? I am willing to bet it is more than $35 😉
Still, competition is a good thing and JetBrains is quite competitive.
Thank you Hadi, I will indeed stay tuned.
Richard says:
February 5, 2011@Pete: Yes, we probably all bill more than $35 per hour, but I doubt any of us have ever delivered a “free” tool, waited a couple of years, and then started demanding money for it.
To be clear, I’m *not* objecting to RedGate charging for v7. I’m not *happy* that they’re doing it, but I can understand why.
My objection is that v6 is going to expire and self-destruct at the end of May, and RedGate don’t appear to give a flying feck about it. Somehow they think they have the right to uninstall free software from your computer and force you to pay for the next version, even if you’re perfectly happy with the current version.
To my mind, that can only be described as extortion.
Joe says:
February 5, 2011I actually happen to own both JetBrains and Red-Gate products. I paid good money for both and I expect both to perform as advertised.
Unfortunately, I got more use out of my performance profiling than I did .NET Reflector and I had to disable my ReSharper because it kept conflicting with other add-ins with Visual Studio and slowed the IDE down to a crawl.
Jura Gorohovsky says:
February 5, 2011@Joe
What were the “other add-ins”?
Hadi Hariri says:
February 5, 2011@Joe,
Please contact us at (myself hadi at jetbrains or support at jetbrains) to try and solve your issues with ReSharper.
Thanks.
Joe says:
February 6, 2011@Jura
Aside from testing the DevExpress Refactor! Pro, which left behind its DevExpress Engine, there were several free add-ins for Visual Studio 2010 that were available from within Visual Studio 2010. Admittedly, I had installed several that appeared appealing and various features disappeared such as the ‘enhanced intellisense’.
However, this is not surprising since there seems to be no structured collaboration between developers creating Visual Studio add-ins. However, I found ReSharper to be one of the better packages during my evaluation and saved up to purchase a personal license. I don’t regret the purchase, I just regret that I had found my IDE unusable at random times (intellisense didn’t work or code editor would ‘hang’ while typing) and by disabling ReSharper, it seemed to go back to normal.
In fact, I had disabled the ‘global’ checking (the small round disc in the bottom corner of the IDE) because enabling that feature just made the product slow out of the gate. I didn’t find it a necessity, so I disabled it, but still ran into the aforementioned issues.
When it worked, it worked very well and I still think it is one of the best refactoring (and helpful code insight) tools out there, I just wish I could still continue using it without running into issues with the IDE. Needless to say, VS2010’s refactoring is pretty much sufficient for what I need nowadays.
Jetbrain$$$$$ says:
February 6, 2011You think I’ll pay $$$$$ for Resharper to avoid paying $$ for Reflector?
Dream on, JetBrain$$$$$
Jake says:
February 7, 2011Sweet jeezus! this is wonderful. Reflector didn’t/wont get iterator blocks until v7! well done.
Alex B says:
February 7, 2011Good god. Are you all paid by Jetbrains or something. I will also pay a few $s for the upgrade instead of loads of $$$$$$$$$$$$$ for the Jetbrains version.
Been using the excellent Reflector for years so don’t feel it’s unfair to finally pay a few $$$ to them. They deserve it.
Jason Bunting says:
February 7, 2011@Alex: I think you miss the point. This isn’t about paying money for a tool. It’s about Red Gate forcing us to pay money for a tool that was always free and originally implying that it would remain free, and then all-of-a-sudden charging money for it because they, not the community, made a bad investment by spending the money to add features to the tool that were not asked-for, and don’t want to eat the costs of their bad investment.
Also, don’t forget that Lutz Roeder was the one who initially created and maintained Reflector for somewhere close to 6 years before Red Gate got involved – if anything, I credit him far more than Red Gate – the only regret that he sold it to a company that has decided to force users to eat the costs of their poor judgment.
Richard says:
February 8, 2011@Alex: I could just as easily ask if you’re paid by RedGate.
@Alex + Jetbrain$$$$: As Jason said, it’s not about paying for the tool. It’s not even about having to pay for v7 when previous versions have always been free. It’s the fact that v6 is going to expire and delete itself, and RedGate think it’s acceptable to force users to pay for the upgrade even if they don’t want it.
Yes, we’ve all heard the argument that Lutz added the expiry date to avoid supporting out-of-date installations; it’s the only response we’ve had from RedGate. As many of us have pointed out, that was fine when the update was free, but when the update costs money, it’s nothing short of extortion.
How would you feel if Microsoft announced that the next version of SQL Express would cost $10 per installation, and that all existing installations would expire and delete themselves unless you paid for the upgrade? Would you then claim that everyone who complained about the decision must be paid by Oracle?
OK, so the JetBrains version is likely to cost more than $35. So what? JetBrains have never ripped me off. JetBrains have never told me that I’m not allowed to continue using an old version of one of their tools because they want me to pay for the new version.
Lori says:
February 9, 2011Okay JetBrains… listen. If you got a tool that does everything that Reflector does, and you want to charge me $50 for it, I will buy.
Just as long as its not ransomware and just as long as you don’t tell me its going to be free then charge me later on.
Roland says:
February 15, 2011The only thing is :s I dont wanna to load whole VS 2010 just to reflect some assembly.
This would have to have some kind of external window also.
bliz says:
February 18, 2011The title, I love it.
Jura Gorohovsky says:
February 19, 2011@Jetbrain$$$$$, Alex B
I hope you feel a bit better now 🙂
http://blogs.jetbrains.com/dotnet/2011/02/resharper-6-bundles-decompiler-free-standalone-tool-to-follow/
Jon Davis says:
February 25, 2011To those who thing RedGate deserves $$ for Reflector, go do your history lesson homework. RedGate didn’t produce Reflector, they acquired it from the guy who made it and distributed it for free (that is, for donations), and then they told the world that it would continue to be free while the future version with new features would be a paid version.
In other words, 1) they lied about it continuing to be free, and 2) they didn’t make it, how can they be “deserving” pay?
The equivalent software to the original Reflector in open source form is called ILSpy. May such software always be free!
Side note: I am a licensed user of Resharper and I would love to see IL decompilation support in Resharper, and would also love to spite RedGate. 🙂
realist says:
August 6, 2011RedGate .NET Reflector v7.2.0.143 + C# Source 4,523 downloads… lol, basically if you don’t want to pay redgate.. then just do what everyone else does… download it from you local free market 🙂 and it even comes with sourcecode if you want to make it better. And stop complaining, just stop paying. thats all I can say.
On the other hand, Lutz got paid out good sums of money for his hard work to date when RedGate bought it from him… Paying redgate is just a reflection of that 🙂 *pun intended* So money makes the world go round.. get over it.
Regards, Realist.